Hello, all. My daughter and I will be heading down to Disney next month
and I was wondering about the practical aspects of hiding boxes on
Disney property. My gut feeling is that they're likely to "clean up"
any boxes they find. Is this true, or will they leave boxes in place?
Soooo, I would greatly appreciate any advice folks can offer on these
two questions:
1) Are there any tips or tricks to successfully hiding a box either at
the parks or at one of the hotels?
2) Since we don't live in Orlando and are not among the lucky few who
can say they'll be back each year, I'm wondering if there's anyone out
there who would be willing to adopt the box, just to check on it every
now and then to make sure everything is ok, it still remains in place,
and that a new book is placed if necessary?
See you on the trail!
pezpam
boxing at Disney
13 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-01-17
boxing at Disney
From: Pamela Smith Lenox (pamela.lenox@verizon.net) |
Date: 2004-01-17 17:47:58 UTC-05:00
Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: (R2D2ZDW@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-17 23:55:23 UTC-05:00
Try and do it at the california disney parks,I suggest at disney in
california try an hide it in tom sayer island...Try and do it it will be worth a shot!
And who knows maybe they well see it as bringing them busness and leave it at
the park(s).
`
Friend Fish Out,Running not walking.*
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california try an hide it in tom sayer island...Try and do it it will be worth a shot!
And who knows maybe they well see it as bringing them busness and leave it at
the park(s).
`
Friend Fish Out,Running not walking.*
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: (StDebb@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-18 08:24:58 UTC-05:00
I would thing it'd be awfully hard to hide one in the theme parks themselves.
They're so manicured, I bet a box wouldn't last 24 hours. (And I'd also
bet Disney wouldn't see it as bringing in business. They don't strike me as
that kind of company.) Tom Sawyer Island (either California or Florida), as
suggested, MIGHT be an exception. It's a little more "wild."
The boxes at the Wilderness Lodge and Caribbean Beach Resort have been there
quite awhile, though, so it must be possible to hide successfully in the
resorts.
You could put something in your clues about not being able to get back and
would anyone who notices maintanence needed please help out. Letterboxers are
usually good that way.
DebBee
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They're so manicured, I bet a box wouldn't last 24 hours. (And I'd also
bet Disney wouldn't see it as bringing in business. They don't strike me as
that kind of company.) Tom Sawyer Island (either California or Florida), as
suggested, MIGHT be an exception. It's a little more "wild."
The boxes at the Wilderness Lodge and Caribbean Beach Resort have been there
quite awhile, though, so it must be possible to hide successfully in the
resorts.
You could put something in your clues about not being able to get back and
would anyone who notices maintanence needed please help out. Letterboxers are
usually good that way.
DebBee
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Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: (gbecket@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-18 08:31:45 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 1/17/2004 10:14:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamela.lenox@verizon.net writes:
> Hello, all. My daughter and I will be heading down to Disney next month
> and I was wondering about the practical aspects of hiding boxes on
> Disney property. My gut feeling is that they're likely to "clean up"
> any boxes they find. Is this true, or will they leave boxes in place?
>
>
The easiest way to handle this is to get permission. Contact the PR
department at Disney - check online at their website. Find out who you would need to
talk to about and then fax them a letter and follow up with a phone call. In
the letter, tell them that you'll be visiting the park, when and that you want
to plant a letterbox. Include background on what letterboxing is, the
website, a rounded estimate of the number of letterboxes around the world and
thousands or people involved and what a great family hobby it is and educational,
boy scout trooops do it, etc, etc. Point out that this will also bring more
visitors to their park. Include a sample of letterbox clues for another box and
tell them that clues you write will lead people through thier park to find the
box. Include an image of your stamp and a full description of the box and
all it's contents. Describe what kinds of places you might look for to hide it
and ask for suggestions or what places they would approve.
With the right communication and attendance to their concerns, you can get
permission to do anything.
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pamela.lenox@verizon.net writes:
> Hello, all. My daughter and I will be heading down to Disney next month
> and I was wondering about the practical aspects of hiding boxes on
> Disney property. My gut feeling is that they're likely to "clean up"
> any boxes they find. Is this true, or will they leave boxes in place?
>
>
The easiest way to handle this is to get permission. Contact the PR
department at Disney - check online at their website. Find out who you would need to
talk to about and then fax them a letter and follow up with a phone call. In
the letter, tell them that you'll be visiting the park, when and that you want
to plant a letterbox. Include background on what letterboxing is, the
website, a rounded estimate of the number of letterboxes around the world and
thousands or people involved and what a great family hobby it is and educational,
boy scout trooops do it, etc, etc. Point out that this will also bring more
visitors to their park. Include a sample of letterbox clues for another box and
tell them that clues you write will lead people through thier park to find the
box. Include an image of your stamp and a full description of the box and
all it's contents. Describe what kinds of places you might look for to hide it
and ask for suggestions or what places they would approve.
With the right communication and attendance to their concerns, you can get
permission to do anything.
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Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: (StDebb@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-18 08:37:08 UTC-05:00
gbecket@aol.com writes:
>
> The easiest way to handle this is to get permission. Contact the PR
> department at Disney
>
While this is certainly the right way to go about it, I can see it
backfiring. The Disney people go to the letterboxing site, see that there are boxes in
the Wilderness Lodge and Caribbean Beach Resort and are horrified. "We must
get those intrusive boxes off our land!' they cry. And then two boxes that
have been there for years, not hurting anyone, are gone.
I could be totally misjudging Disney, but I really think they wouldn't be
receptive to anything on their property that they didn't put there themselves.
DebBee
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>
> The easiest way to handle this is to get permission. Contact the PR
> department at Disney
>
While this is certainly the right way to go about it, I can see it
backfiring. The Disney people go to the letterboxing site, see that there are boxes in
the Wilderness Lodge and Caribbean Beach Resort and are horrified. "We must
get those intrusive boxes off our land!' they cry. And then two boxes that
have been there for years, not hurting anyone, are gone.
I could be totally misjudging Disney, but I really think they wouldn't be
receptive to anything on their property that they didn't put there themselves.
DebBee
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Re: boxing at Disney
From: haalck (haalck@snet.net) |
Date: 2004-01-18 17:37:00 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Pamela Smith Lenox
wrote:
> Hello, all. My daughter and I will be heading down to Disney next
month
> and I was wondering about the practical aspects of hiding boxes on
> Disney property.
It can be done, but it's tough to find a practical location. I had
stayed at the Wilderness lodge years ago and knew they had some off
the track trails that I could hide a box. I never even concidered
hiding a box at any of the parks, they are too well maintained. The
resorts are your best bet, but it took me several trips to differant
ones before I felt I found a spot that would'nt be discovered or
attract undo attention. I hid all 3 of my Disney boxes a month after
9-11, so I wanted to make sure they were in a location that would'nt
concern anyone (ie; not in a public space).
Bill & Craig
P70 F530
> Hello, all. My daughter and I will be heading down to Disney next
month
> and I was wondering about the practical aspects of hiding boxes on
> Disney property.
It can be done, but it's tough to find a practical location. I had
stayed at the Wilderness lodge years ago and knew they had some off
the track trails that I could hide a box. I never even concidered
hiding a box at any of the parks, they are too well maintained. The
resorts are your best bet, but it took me several trips to differant
ones before I felt I found a spot that would'nt be discovered or
attract undo attention. I hid all 3 of my Disney boxes a month after
9-11, so I wanted to make sure they were in a location that would'nt
concern anyone (ie; not in a public space).
Bill & Craig
P70 F530
Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: Lisa A (lisasjunk@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-01-18 17:10:09 UTC-05:00
Of course Disney lawyers might be looking at it as a liability....
Just my humble opinion!
----- Original Message -----
From: R2D2ZDW@aol.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
Try and do it at the california disney parks,I suggest at disney in
california try an hide it in tom sayer island...Try and do it it will be worth a shot!
And who knows maybe they well see it as bringing them busness and leave it at
the park(s).
`
Friend Fish Out,Running not walking.*
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Just my humble opinion!
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From: R2D2ZDW@aol.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
Try and do it at the california disney parks,I suggest at disney in
california try an hide it in tom sayer island...Try and do it it will be worth a shot!
And who knows maybe they well see it as bringing them busness and leave it at
the park(s).
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Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: (Doublesaj@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-18 22:33:37 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 1/18/2004 5:33:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gbecket@aol.com writes:
>
The easiest way to handle this is to get permission. Contact the PR
department at Disney - check online at their website. Find out who you would
need to
talk to about and then fax them a letter and follow up with a phone call. In
the letter, tell them that you'll be visiting the park, when and that you
want
to plant a letterbox. Include background on what letterboxing is, the
website, a rounded estimate of the number of letterboxes around the world and
thousands or people involved and what a great family hobby it is and
educational,
boy scout trooops do it, etc, etc. Point out that this will also bring more
visitors to their park. Include a sample of letterbox clues for another box
and
tell them that clues you write will lead people through thier park to find
the
box. Include an image of your stamp and a full description of the box and
all it's contents. Describe what kinds of places you might look for to hide
it
and ask for suggestions or what places they would approve.
With the right communication and attendance to their concerns, you can get
permission to do anything.
Nice thought but it will NEVER happen! If you knew the stringent standards
the employees at Disney must go through for minimum wage, a handful of hours per
week AND they have to pay Union dues too, you'd know they'd are super rigid
on everything that goes on there. I'd be my letterboxing journal they's NEVER
allow a box on their property. Better to hide it, take your chances and tell
everyone who finds it to post the find on the website so we can see how long it
lasts.
Someone placed 2 boxes at the CA Disneyland about a month ago. Anyone find
that one yet?
~~Doublesaj & Old Blue~~
P27 F 130 X50 V12 A18 HH 5
Letterboxers take nothing and leave nothing
but good impressions. Sir B
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gbecket@aol.com writes:
>
The easiest way to handle this is to get permission. Contact the PR
department at Disney - check online at their website. Find out who you would
need to
talk to about and then fax them a letter and follow up with a phone call. In
the letter, tell them that you'll be visiting the park, when and that you
want
to plant a letterbox. Include background on what letterboxing is, the
website, a rounded estimate of the number of letterboxes around the world and
thousands or people involved and what a great family hobby it is and
educational,
boy scout trooops do it, etc, etc. Point out that this will also bring more
visitors to their park. Include a sample of letterbox clues for another box
and
tell them that clues you write will lead people through thier park to find
the
box. Include an image of your stamp and a full description of the box and
all it's contents. Describe what kinds of places you might look for to hide
it
and ask for suggestions or what places they would approve.
With the right communication and attendance to their concerns, you can get
permission to do anything.
Nice thought but it will NEVER happen! If you knew the stringent standards
the employees at Disney must go through for minimum wage, a handful of hours per
week AND they have to pay Union dues too, you'd know they'd are super rigid
on everything that goes on there. I'd be my letterboxing journal they's NEVER
allow a box on their property. Better to hide it, take your chances and tell
everyone who finds it to post the find on the website so we can see how long it
lasts.
Someone placed 2 boxes at the CA Disneyland about a month ago. Anyone find
that one yet?
~~Doublesaj & Old Blue~~
P27 F 130 X50 V12 A18 HH 5
Letterboxers take nothing and leave nothing
but good impressions. Sir B
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Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: (californiabear@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-01-19 17:48:42 UTC
> I could be totally misjudging Disney, but I really think they wouldn't be
> receptive to anything on their property that they didn't put there
> themselves.
>
> DebBee
You would be absolutely correct.
The whole idea behind Disney Theme Parks is absolute control of the environment that the guests experience and anything that takes away from the theme is forbidden.
That is one of the reasons why they don't allow weddings to take place inside of any of their parks. It detracts from the 'show'. There have been cases of 'guerilla weddings' where the wedding party shows up at a spot in a park, has a quick 5 minute ceremony then disperses before Security finds out or has a chance to respond. There are also stories where these weddings have failed because Security noticed the gathering of people who looked suspicous and broke it up before they could start the ceremony.
The Disney Company is so into controlling the 'show' in the parks that there have been internal fights between the Entertainment Department and WDI (the part of the company that designs the parks) over entertainers that work in an area of the park and whether they are destroying the theme and mood of an area.
In short, Disney Parks and Resorts will NOT be amenable to letterboxes on their property, at least any they know about... ;)
--
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California Bear
> receptive to anything on their property that they didn't put there
> themselves.
>
> DebBee
You would be absolutely correct.
The whole idea behind Disney Theme Parks is absolute control of the environment that the guests experience and anything that takes away from the theme is forbidden.
That is one of the reasons why they don't allow weddings to take place inside of any of their parks. It detracts from the 'show'. There have been cases of 'guerilla weddings' where the wedding party shows up at a spot in a park, has a quick 5 minute ceremony then disperses before Security finds out or has a chance to respond. There are also stories where these weddings have failed because Security noticed the gathering of people who looked suspicous and broke it up before they could start the ceremony.
The Disney Company is so into controlling the 'show' in the parks that there have been internal fights between the Entertainment Department and WDI (the part of the company that designs the parks) over entertainers that work in an area of the park and whether they are destroying the theme and mood of an area.
In short, Disney Parks and Resorts will NOT be amenable to letterboxes on their property, at least any they know about... ;)
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California Bear
RE: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: Jill Rydman (jillbeast@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-19 15:53:31 UTC-08:00
< < That is one of the reasons why they don't allow weddings to take place
inside of any of their parks. It detracts from the 'show' >>
Now they have an official wedding service (through their disney
vacations)...maybe that's why they won't allow weddings...so they can sell
more wedding packages! :-) Now, that's Control with a capitalistic C :-)
Jill
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inside of any of their parks. It detracts from the 'show' >>
Now they have an official wedding service (through their disney
vacations)...maybe that's why they won't allow weddings...so they can sell
more wedding packages! :-) Now, that's Control with a capitalistic C :-)
Jill
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Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: Chris Holm (cholm@dcn.davis.ca.us) |
Date: 2004-01-19 22:12:55 UTC-08:00
On 1/18/04 2:10 PM, "Lisa A" wrote:
> Of course Disney lawyers might be looking at it as a liability....
>
> Just my humble opinion!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: R2D2ZDW@aol.com
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
>
>
> Try and do it at the california disney parks,I suggest at disney in
> california try an hide it in tom sayer island...Try and do it it will be
> worth a shot!
> And who knows maybe they well see it as bringing them busness and leave it >
at
> the park(s).
> `
>
>
>
> Friend Fish Out,Running not walking.*
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The first thing I think about in a place like Disneyland is if you are
caught you could be arrested for destruction of property because I would
think they would discourage this type of activity because it could promote
a type of behavior that suggests placing a bomb. Would you not think
security is on the watch for certain behavior and if you are looking around
to avoid detection you may look suspicious. Think about how that may
complicate security for all who go to the park. I personally think we
should think of security first.
I think it would be an extra but at the same time you can hardly make it
through the park in one day let alone spend time hunting for a box unless
you go just for the hunt.
If it is to be done I think it would be best to integrate it into the entire
theme and let Disney be in charge.
Just my humble opinion .
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> Of course Disney lawyers might be looking at it as a liability....
>
> Just my humble opinion!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: R2D2ZDW@aol.com
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
>
>
> Try and do it at the california disney parks,I suggest at disney in
> california try an hide it in tom sayer island...Try and do it it will be
> worth a shot!
> And who knows maybe they well see it as bringing them busness and leave it >
at
> the park(s).
> `
>
>
>
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The first thing I think about in a place like Disneyland is if you are
caught you could be arrested for destruction of property because I would
think they would discourage this type of activity because it could promote
a type of behavior that suggests placing a bomb. Would you not think
security is on the watch for certain behavior and if you are looking around
to avoid detection you may look suspicious. Think about how that may
complicate security for all who go to the park. I personally think we
should think of security first.
I think it would be an extra but at the same time you can hardly make it
through the park in one day let alone spend time hunting for a box unless
you go just for the hunt.
If it is to be done I think it would be best to integrate it into the entire
theme and let Disney be in charge.
Just my humble opinion .
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Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: Chris Holm (cholm@dcn.davis.ca.us) |
Date: 2004-01-19 22:14:17 UTC-08:00
On 1/19/04 10:12 PM, "Chris Holm" wrote:
The first thing I think about in a place like Disneyland is if you are
caught you could be arrested for destruction of property because I would
think they would discourage this type of activity because it could promote
a type of behavior that suggests placing a bomb. Would you not think
security is on the watch for certain behavior and if you are looking around
to avoid detection you may look suspicious. Think about how that may
complicate security for all who go to the park. I personally think we
should think of security first.
I think it would be an extra but at the same time you can hardly make it
through the park in one day let alone spend time hunting for a box unless
you go just for the hunt.
If it is to be done I think it would be best to integrate it into the entire
theme and let Disney be in charge.
Just my humble opinion .
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The first thing I think about in a place like Disneyland is if you are
caught you could be arrested for destruction of property because I would
think they would discourage this type of activity because it could promote
a type of behavior that suggests placing a bomb. Would you not think
security is on the watch for certain behavior and if you are looking around
to avoid detection you may look suspicious. Think about how that may
complicate security for all who go to the park. I personally think we
should think of security first.
I think it would be an extra but at the same time you can hardly make it
through the park in one day let alone spend time hunting for a box unless
you go just for the hunt.
If it is to be done I think it would be best to integrate it into the entire
theme and let Disney be in charge.
Just my humble opinion .
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Re: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
From: California Bear (californiabear@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-01-29 21:23:18 UTC-08:00
The only official wedding event allowed INSIDE the parks is the ride in the Wedding Carriage. The ceremony still takes place outside of the park.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jill Rydman
Subject: RE: [LbNA] boxing at Disney
Now they have an official wedding service (through their disney
vacations)...maybe that's why they won't allow weddings...so they can sell
more wedding packages! :-) Now, that's Control with a capitalistic C :-)
Jill
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